UK riots

[Inkubus]

From here:

https://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/sho...#pid401420

One hot August night.

A night like tonight maybe?

Three police officers are believed to have been injured during disorder in Hull city centre, Humberside Police say...

A number of police officers have been injured while dealing with "serious disorder" in Liverpool, Merseyside Police says...

Police were in attendance at the top of Donegall Place in Belfast city centre.
Anti-immigration and anti-racism protesters faced off in tense scenes outside the city hall.

And the same shit in Nottingham, Manchester, Leeds, Sunderland. And it's not yet 7: PM.

The Brits as a rule, aren't particularly noted for running amok setting fire to shit, there are a few notable exceptions which in my view were totally understandable.

The Poll Tax Riots, 1990.

The racist discrimination 1981 riots.

The Mark Duggan Riots of 2011.

All riots are alarm bells. This one sounded against the backdrop of a fresh-faced coalition government seeking to build a new political settlement out of the rubble of the 2008 financial crisis – one that rested on a vast inflation in wealth for those with existing assets such as homes and stock market investments, alongside a real-term cut in the value of wages and a decimation of the state’s social spending budget. The warning was never heeded. In the decade that followed, the fortunes of the UK’s richest 1,000 families more than doubled. Young people, meanwhile, are now on course to end up poorer than their predecessors at every single stage of their adult lives. The England riots, 10 years on: ‘Young people were watching their futures disappear before their eyes’

Lets see what tonight brings.

[Minimalist]

The Brits as a rule, aren't particularly noted for running amok setting fire to shit,

Was there a soccer game?

[Edible crust]

The Brits as a rule, aren't particularly noted for running amok setting fire to shit,

Was there a soccer game?

Funny how outsiders view British people. Anyway...

The vast majority of us are sane.

[pattylt]

Is immigration triggering this? Is it because a more liberal government is in place? (Awfully soon if it’s that…they haven’t even begun to rule). Is this racism? Against Muslims or others?

I have a feeling the US could easily face this if Trump loses in November. Hell, it could happen if he wins!

I realize that the lower classes have been really struggling in Britain but the austerity group lost, did they not?

[Edible crust]

Is immigration triggering this?  Is it because a more liberal government is in place?  (Awfully soon if it’s that…they haven’t even begun to rule).  Is this racism?  Against Muslims or others?

I have a feeling the US could easily face this if Trump loses in November.  Hell, it could happen if he wins!

I realize that the lower classes have been really struggling in Britain but the austerity group lost, did they not?

It's the far right spreading bullshit and using said bullshit as an excuse to cause chaos. The riots are nothing to do with the loss of three little girls.

[mordant]

I think Brexit has been an economic disaster the proportions of which haven't completely sunk in with everyone.

When enough people lose hope, this kind of unrest is the result.

The new liberal government should not think it has a solid mandate really. It won easily on vague promises of "change". People want change, but if they don't deliver, things will not go well.

Now their job is to actually lead. Something liberals are notoriously bad at. Worse, they have to lead the nation through a period of difficulties that will get worse before they get better, even if they do everything correctly.

I wish them well. They're going to need it.

We have our own version of that going on here in the US. If Harris wins she's going to have to do an LBJ-like set of visionary initiatives that no one thought she had in her. Sometimes when leaders sense an historic opportunity to make a difference, they rise to the occasion. Sometimes they do not.

All I know is my client wants me to come down to Nashville TN around Election Day and my wife has the idea of going along so we can stop in Asheville NC to visit her daughter. I am not sure I want to be driving around the Bible Belt around that time. It might be bad for our health.

[Szuchow]

I think Brexit has been an economic disaster the proportions of which haven't completely sunk in with everyone.

When enough people lose hope, this kind of unrest is the result.

The new liberal government should not think it has a solid mandate really. It won easily on vague promises of "change". People want change, but if they don't deliver, things will not go well.

Now their job is to actually lead. Something liberals are notoriously bad at. Worse, they have to lead the nation through a period of difficulties that will get worse before they get better, even if they do everything correctly.

I wish them well. They're going to need it.

Seems that there is not all that much cause for hope:

Twelve months before seizing power in last week’s historic election victory, Keir Starmer and the Labour Party welcomed with open arms an unprecedented lobbying campaign by the UK’s most powerful corporations.

Weapons manufacturers implicated in human rights abuses in Gaza bent the ears of would-be defence secretaries. Incoming climate change ministers met with oil companies. Labour ministers who will now be responsible for curbing the excesses of the City of London were wined and dined by financial services executives. Public affairs firms representing asset managers, the tobacco industry, gig economy firms and tax-avoiding mega corporations secured meeting after meeting after meeting with future ministers.

In a high-voltage campaign that was simultaneously secretive yet enacted in plain sight, lobbyists worked hard to ensure the policies of the UK’s first ostensibly progressive government in 14 years reflected the interests of their influential clients. And Labour was only too happy to engage.

Westminster’s lax transparency rules mean there is no official record of this mammoth public affairs offensive. The rulebook says the public has no right to know which companies lobby the opposition – a position shared by Starmer’s Labour. In every instance, the party has refused to disclose what was discussed, what promises were made, and even who was at its meetings, saying: “We should not be treated as the government.”[...]

[Mathilda]

I realize that the lower classes have been really struggling in Britain but the austerity group lost, did they not?

Yes and no.

Yes, in that the party that brought in austerity lost. No, in that things are not going to get better under Labour, just not as bad as quickly. But disillusionment with Labour hasn't set in yet and they're still in their honeymoon period. People know that it will take many years to repair the damage of the last government.

What we're seeing is the result of culture wars of the previous government. Hate doesn't just go away the moment it's no longer being deliberately stoked up. The rioting is by the far right. But there have also been much larger counter demonstrations by the anti-fascist.

[Mathilda]

Seems that there is not all that much cause for hope:

Yes but most people don't realise that yet.

[Szuchow]

What we're seeing is the result of culture wars of the previous government. Hate doesn't just go away the moment it's no longer being deliberately stoked up. The rioting is by the far right. But there have also been much larger counter demonstrations by the anti-fascist.

Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please to quote Machiavelli. Same is with hate as can be seen in Poland, though one has to note that current gov also use figure of "scary migrant" to gather support, so it can't be really said that hate is no longer stroked. Still as a result of previous gov fuck ups we're now for a wild ride, just like UK is.

[Dexta]

No 10 to hold emergency Cobra meeting after weekend of violence

Downing Street has confirmed there will be an emergency response meeting on Monday after more than 150 people were arrested following violent disorder in UK towns and cities over the weekend.


It comes after Sir Keir Starmer condemned an attack on a hotel housing asylum seekers in Rotherham and promised those involved in unrest would face "the full force of the law".



Police responded to violent scenes in Rotherham, Middlesbrough, Bolton and other parts of the UK on Sunday.


The Cobra meeting follows some of the worst rioting the UK has seen in recent years, in the wake of the fatal stabbing of three young girls in Southport last week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwddpzyxpzo

[Dexta]

According to the BBC police are expecting 100 far right "protests" today, up from a predicted 30 this morning. If that comes to pass it'll be truly unprecedented, in my memory.

[Inkubus]

I think Brexit has been an economic disaster the proportions of which haven't completely sunk in with everyone.

When enough people lose hope, this kind of unrest is the result.

The new liberal government should not think it has a solid mandate really. It won easily on vague promises of "change". People want change, but if they don't deliver, things will not go well.

Now their job is to actually lead. Something liberals are notoriously bad at. Worse, they have to lead the nation through a period of difficulties that will get worse before they get better, even if they do everything correctly.

I wish them well. They're going to need it.

Seems that there is not all that much cause for hope:

In a high-voltage campaign that was simultaneously secretive yet enacted in plain sight, lobbyists worked hard to ensure the policies of the UK’s first ostensibly progressive government in 14 years reflected the interests of their influential clients. And Labour was only too happy to engage.

Never herd of um. So I had a quick look and found this sort of thing:

Open Democracy is a lying left-wing pseudo-progressive rag. I just read they sacked some of their scumbag journos, who’ll probably be hired by the Guardian or BBC to spout their usual racist sewage.

April 02, 2024

I dunno.

[Szuchow]

Seems that there is not all that much cause for hope:

In a high-voltage campaign that was simultaneously secretive yet enacted in plain sight, lobbyists worked hard to ensure the policies of the UK’s first ostensibly progressive government in 14 years reflected the interests of their influential clients. And Labour was only too happy to engage.

Never herd of um. So I had a quick look and found this sort of thing:

Open Democracy is a lying left-wing pseudo-progressive rag. I just read they sacked some of their scumbag journos, who’ll probably be hired by the Guardian or BBC to spout their usual racist sewage.

April 02, 2024

Some dumb far righter opinion wouldn't usually count for much with me but this level of butt hurt shows that OD must be solid.

[Silly Deity]

A bitingly accurate characterization of the knobheads who were rioting.

[Inkubus]

A bitingly accurate characterization of the knobheads who were rioting.

That is so clever.

[epronovost]

Never herd of um. So I had a quick look and found this sort of thing:


April 02, 2024

Some dumb far righter opinion wouldn't usually count for much with me but this level of butt hurt shows  that OD must be solid.

According to the website media bias / fact check openDemocracy is a high credibility and factuality source of information which is slightly biased toward left leaning causes. In other words, it's a good source of information.

[Szuchow]

Some dumb far righter opinion wouldn't usually count for much with me but this level of butt hurt shows  that OD must be solid.

According to the website media bias / fact check openDemocracy is a high credibility and factuality source of information which is slightly biased toward left leaning causes. In other words, it's a good source of information.

Quality of their investigative piece was all recommendation I needed.

[Edible crust]

Must be something about August in the UK. The last riots of note were in August 2011 over the killing of Mark Duggan, not the far right that time but the behaviour was much the same.

[Mathilda]

Never herd of um. So I had a quick look and found this sort of thing:

Open Democracy is a lying left-wing pseudo-progressive rag. I just read they sacked some of their scumbag journos, who’ll probably be hired by the Guardian or BBC to spout their usual racist sewage.

April 02, 2024

I dunno.

I don't know where you got that quote from but Open Democracy is the only news site I pay for. They're one of the few remaining places doing any real investigative journalism and have had some major scoops. Unlike other sites thy are consistently progressive.

[Szuchow]

Never herd of um. So I had a quick look and found this sort of thing:


April 02, 2024

I dunno.

I don't know where you got that quote from but Open Democracy is the only news site I pay for. They're one of the few remaining places doing any real investigative journalism and have had some major scoops. Unlike other sites thy are consistently progressive.

It's from some shitty site called trustpilot. Though given what a verbal vomit this opinion was it's hardly relevant from what dark corners of internet it has crawled in.