Racially divisive language and culture

[Dexta]

Jude Carmichael, who plays a young Mark in the film, told the BBC he hopes that "young black audiences will be able to see people that look like them, and know it is authentic because it was created by people like them".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68006229

Because they share the same skin colour, they are "like them." Passed the BBC editors by without a glitch, it would seem. MOBO awards - divisive. 

Race should be treated as an irrelevant, superficial detail in all walks of life, just skin deep, IMO. Yet the current culture is so fucking stupid (woke?) we have this kind of shite, which only serves to separate, not unite. Thoughts?

[Rhythmcs]

I suppose it probably would be treated that way if it were that way - like it is for the group of "whites"...but until then...? Other than that, you appear to have misunderstood the term "woke". To be "woke" is to ignore the race issue. The real one, ofc. White genocide.

[brewerb]

I'm having trouble finding any science, engineering or mathematics, unless there are some Q devices that I'm missing.

[Dexta]

Social science, brewerb, eg psychology and sociology.

[Rhythmcs]

The social science angle of "woke" revolves around what mitch berbrier termed/identified as the victim ideology of white supremacy back in 2000. He was working with earlier research and alot more has been written since then, but that's the fountain it all flows from. He saw it before the Obama presidency blew it up and turned it into the central organizing principle of contemporary right wing politics. It was obscure then, which has had some interesting effects, like the cross pollination of disparate ideological views.

[epronovost]

Jude Carmichael, who plays a young Mark in the film, told the BBC he hopes that "young black audiences will be able to see people that look like them, and know it is authentic because it was created by people like them".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68006229

Because they share the same skin colour, they are "like them." Passed the BBC editors by without a glitch, it would seem. MOBO awards - divisive. 

Race should be treated as an irrelevant, superficial detail in all walks of life, just skin deep, IMO. Yet the current culture is so fucking stupid (woke?) we have this kind of shite, which only serves to separate, not unite. Thoughts?

I think this is a rather superficial take on the subject of race and also a rather poor understanding of what is being said by Jude Carmichael. He talks about how young black men will identify and appreciate the representation of young black men by people who are part of their cultural group. "race" as in racialist non-sense is not what is discussed here. What is discussed here is ethnicity and culture which was defined, amongst other thing, by the race concept that was and still is, to lesser extend, a big driving force of our wider culture.

Multiculturalism and cosmopolitanism doesn't mean "everybody is the same". Black people in Europe, Canada, N-Z and, especially, in the US have developed their own culture, distinct and unique from that the white majority because of racialism and later neo-racist class politics and that of their ancestral homes. That's what I think Carmichael is talking about when he said "created by people like them", not just black people (TV and movies have presented token black youth and people) but black people who are not largely acculturated from the wider black communities. Black people, who have kept their roots alive and well and not discarded them to better climb the social ladder of a still bigoted society where "respectability politics" is still alive and well. For many black youth, especially educated, but still rather poor black youth, this challenge of negotiating your culture for easier advancement in society is always a temptation and a challenge and for poorer and less educated black youth seeing a large chunk of your intellectual, financial and artistical elite discard and often even disparage your culture as grift or to simply better integrate in the wider elite of the majority society is a painful experience. On TV and movies, black elites are often of the later group more than the former.

[brewerb]

Social science, brewerb, eg psychology and sociology.

Apologies, I (and others) coinsider psychology and sociology,........ to be set apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science,_t...athematics   (see second paragraph)

To each his own.

[no one]

Obviously, anyone who dares to be different from me is inferior.

[pattylt]

Obviously, anyone who dares to be different from me is inferior.

What’s sad is that so many really think this way.

[Dexta]

I'm having trouble finding any science, engineering or mathematics, unless there are some Q devices that I'm missing.

Everything is science, to me, personally, WOOF! I hope to find time in my (subjectively) busy life to take on this thread properly I started soon.

[Atothetheist]

Jude Carmichael, who plays a young Mark in the film, told the BBC he hopes that "young black audiences will be able to see people that look like them, and know it is authentic because it was created by people like them".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68006229

Because they share the same skin colour, they are "like them." Passed the BBC editors by without a glitch, it would seem. MOBO awards - divisive. 

Race should be treated as an irrelevant, superficial detail in all walks of life, just skin deep, IMO. Yet the current culture is so fucking stupid (woke?) we have this kind of shite, which only serves to separate, not unite. Thoughts?

No. Color blindness only seeks to misunderstand the reality of the situation. The truth is that race, while literally *just* a skin color, it also can come part and parcel with culture, norms, behaviors that simply other people don't relate to because they aren't a part of the culture. For instance, black people have different textured hair than a lot of white people do. This can result in a different experience in regards to their morning routine. Darker skin tones (like mine) also can become ashy, produces a more dramatic effect. People who might not be familiar with that morning routine, might fail to make a film seeking to depict it feel genuine and true to the experience of those who live it.

This is not even beginning to recognize the social differences as a result of racial apartheid in several countries and the generational trauma that comes with it. Colorblindness only seeks to wipe away the sins of the past by failing to take care of those still trapped in the aftershocks.

[Cavebear]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68006229

Because they share the same skin colour, they are "like them." Passed the BBC editors by without a glitch, it would seem. MOBO awards - divisive. 

Race should be treated as an irrelevant, superficial detail in all walks of life, just skin deep, IMO. Yet the current culture is so fucking stupid (woke?) we have this kind of shite, which only serves to separate, not unite. Thoughts?

No. Color blindness only seeks to misunderstand the reality of the situation. The truth is that race, while literally *just* a skin color, it also can come part and parcel with culture, norms, behaviors that simply other people don't relate to because they aren't a part of the culture. For instance, black people have different textured hair than a lot of white people do. This can result in a different experience in regards to their morning routine. Darker skin tones (like mine) also can become ashy, produces a more dramatic effect. People who might not be familiar with that morning routine, might fail to make a film seeking to depict it feel genuine and true to the experience of those who live it.

This is not even beginning to recognize the social differences as a result of racial apartheid in several countries and the generational trauma that comes with it. Colorblindness only seeks to wipe away the sins of the past by failing to take care of those still trapped in the aftershocks.

Race doesn't actually exist. But responses to appearance differences do to too many people. That is the problem. They shouldn't. People who understand evolution know that.

One thing I consider is that appearance differences have a logical cause. You live near the equator, you need more melanin to protect you from excess sunlight. You live in Scandanavia, you need very little because you need more sunlight exposure. Skin color is what who you are, its where you are. We don't live outdoors most of the time these days, so melanin level doesn't really matter as much.

With more international mobility and intermarriage, we are averaging our skin color more. I look forward to a time when we are all just a vague tan and the false concern about color goes away.

[Huggy Bear]

Jude Carmichael, who plays a young Mark in the film, told the BBC he hopes that "young black audiences will be able to see people that look like them, and know it is authentic because it was created by people like them".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68006229

Because they share the same skin colour, they are "like them." Passed the BBC editors by without a glitch, it would seem. MOBO awards - divisive. 

Race should be treated as an irrelevant, superficial detail in all walks of life, just skin deep, IMO. Yet the current culture is so fucking stupid (woke?) we have this kind of shite, which only serves to separate, not unite. Thoughts?

Not skin color, but culture.

Goodfellas and the Sopranos for example, were authentic, not because the actors where white, but because they were from Italian culture, make sense?