Sexual abuse in women's prison is rampant...also water is wet

[epronovost]

Two adults can agree to conform their behavior to a tradition.

Have you ever considered reading or listening to women (but also a couple of men) who suffered under such social norms, relationship and pressure. How they got into it and out; how it felt during and after these experiences, etc. There is thousands upon thousands of testimonies and studies on the subject of cult dynamics out there. Don't you think these could be very informative for you?

Also I'd just like to note that I no problem with people wanting to marry, have a large amount children and separate labor within the household along the traditional western gender roles of the late 19th and 20th century. I have a problem with male headship.

And, I am not loving your willingness to judge others based on a flimsy abstractions.

Do you mean my moral objection to patriarchal notions of familial and social life based on humanist, universalist and equalitarian concerns?

Is it possible to make sex so sacrosanct that it becomes ridiculous?

Have you ever heard the feminist slogan neither virgin, mother or prostitute? That slogan was specifically design to call out ridiculous sacrosanct assumptions and perception of sexuality, especially female sexuality. What do you think about it?

[Vorpal]

Two adults can agree to conform their behavior to a tradition.

 There is thousands upon thousands of testimonies and studies on the subject of cult dynamics out there.  

Do you consider Catholicism a cult?

 

And, I am not loving your willingness to judge others based on a flimsy abstractions.

Do you mean my moral objection to patriarchal notions of familial and social life based on humanist, universalist and equalitarian concerns?

  Perhaps , when they are not balanced by individual freedoms, rights and responsibilities.

Is it possible to make sex so sacrosanct that it becomes ridiculous?

Have you ever heard the feminist slogan neither virgin, mother or prostitute? That slogan was specifically design to call out ridiculous sacrosanct assumptions and perception of sexuality, especially female sexuality. What do you think about it?

I am supportive of women who don't want to have children and mothers who hate mothering - if that helps.

[epronovost]

Do you consider Catholicism a cult?

It depends on the branches. Opus Dei, of the Da Vinci Code fame, is a Catholic cult. Mainstream Catholicism in the Western world is not if only because mainstream Catholic have abandoned the sexual ethics of Paul and pseudo-Paul and Papal infallibility doctrine, but it does have it's reactionary branches and communities here and there and it's not always easy to tell from the outside which is which especially if you are not familiar with the traits of the conservative/reactionary brand. Conservative/reactionary Catholics just like their equivalent in the LDS or some Evangelical Churches are obsessed with appearing as spotlessly clean, proper and perfect as possible to the outside; it's actually one of their main grooming and enforcement mechanic too. If you want to know if a religious community is a cult or not, I'd suggest you refer yourself to the 10 step message. Like for harassment the list is not exhaustive nor do you need to strike every single characteristics to be in a cult, but the more you have the more likely you are to have one.

A cult has the following:

1) Charismatic leader (with a skinny white woman consort)
2) A worldview that brings you under a sacred assumption.
3) A transcendental mission
4) Self-sacrifice of members is lauded and expected.
5) Limits access to the outside world 
6) Distinguishable vernacular
7) Us vs them mentality
8) exploits members for their labor
9) high entrance and/or exit cost
10) Ends justify the means mentality

  Perhaps , when they are not balanced by individual freedoms, rights and responsibilities.

Were you aware that patriarchal familial and social values are opposed to individual freedom, rights and responsibility; especially those of women even though young men and children also suffer under it? It's an authoritarian antiliberal mode of social organization after all. Being for the liberty of being liberticide is a bit of a paradox in my opinion. I'd refer you to the famous paradox of tolerance book of Bertrand Russel. 

I am supportive of women who don't want to have children and mothers who hate mothering - if that helps.

That's not really the point of the slogan; it was more about the objectification of women's sexuality by the sacralization of it's function in service of men, but I get your point.

What do you think about sex work then or the importance often placed upon a woman's virginity in patriarchal sub-culture?

[Vorpal]

What do you think about sex work then or the importance often placed upon a woman's virginity in patriarchal sub-culture?

Taking your second quiry first, I think that valuing virginity is in part based on the view that women are in some sense the property of men and not wanting a virgin means not wanting used goods, which is abhorrent.  I have been thinking that well regulated sex work might be a good thing for society, but I think there may be a cost to the people who treat their bodies as a commodiity. Can it cheapen intimacy for these workers? I am malleable on thiis point.

Can I learn your first name?

[epronovost]

I have been thinking that well regulated sex work might be a good thing for society, but I think there may be a cost to the people who treat their bodies as a commodity. Can it cheapen intimacy for these workers? I am malleable on this point.

I pretty much sit on the same boat than you on this issue and it bothers me a little bit, but the more I read on the subject the more ambivalent I get.

Can I learn your first name?

No; I would rather stay anonymous.

I had no other query btw.