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#51

Meanwhile in Germany
The wall represents the need for quick and easy solutions by T.rump's support base.
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#52

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I remember visiting Berlin a few months after the reunion. At that time I wrote my university diploma on German colonial societies and decided on browsing the archieves in the East and the West. Even in 1991 the difference between the two parts of town were striking. The West was a thriving city, while the East gave the impression of being abandoned. The cops there still wore their GDR uniforms and every once in a while there was a ruined building, that hadn't been reconstructed after the war. Most strikingly on the so called museum Isle, which had been a must see on my to visit list, since it harbors the Egyptian collections German archeologists have collected before the first war. The museums there look like Greek temples, but one of them hadn't been rebuilt after the bombings. I looked up - and that image is forever burnt into my memory - the inscription on the facade bore the latin words "Ignorance is the enemy of art". I found that to be rather fitting.

But Berlin at that time was also a very hopeful city. I lived with two sisters, roughly my age and through my one week stay, they introduced me to lots of their friends. One has to know that Western Berlin, before the wall came down, was a rather unique place. The council did everything to attract young people. The city offered military service exemption as well as cheap housing and tax exemptions. That's where the differences between then and now are strikingly obvious. Germany no longer has a draft, but housing in Berlin, due to property speculations, became virtually inaffordable to the young and to the working population in general.
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#53

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Housing in Germany is unaffordbable in general. We have experienced a crazy real estate bubble of epic proportions. We all know, since 2008, what this will lead to. I fear the worst.
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#54

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(11-10-2019, 08:26 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 04:04 AM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:
(11-09-2019, 04:33 AM)Deesse23 Wrote: Who would have thought that the one country that supported Germany the most in taking down this disgrace to humanity would do exactly this. The irony is really bitter. But let us be reminded that walls and their builders an be taken down and history will remember them for what they did, just like the brave people who opposed them by risking their lives.

That's a bit corny, isn't it?...I mean the wall situations are a tad different in a few ways, starting with their intentions (keeping people in vs keeping people out)
Are you offended as an american because i pointed out how far the US has come within 30 years? If so, its your offense not mine. If you dont support the current administration, you arent part of the problem anyway.

Yes its not entirely the same, analogies always fail on some level, but i think remembering this date and its circumstances is of utmost importance when you have a look at our current times.

Dont you notice the bite of irony that the Berlin wall was publicly denied only weeks before actual work began, and Trump is promising another wall for years, which probably will never be built? Dont you notice that 30y ago a symbol of authoritarianism and divisiveness fell, and now we are seemingly back at a point where so many people seem to embrace the idea of divisiveness?

I suppose your statement meets the definition of irony if we go with walls as "ideas of divisiveness" or "symbols of authoritarianism" and ignore the actual purposes of the walls in each case.  What would really be ironic would be if the US, having supported Germany in taking down its walls which kept its people from leaving, then went on to build walls to keep its people from leaving.
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(11-10-2019, 04:22 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote: I meanWhat would really be ironic would be if the US, having supported Germany in taking down its walls which kept its people from leaving, then went on to build walls to keep its people from leaving.

Don't kid yourself. Berlin was a crucial part of the Cold War. It was never meant to be support for Germany, other than to have an advanced strategic base at Berlin. Support never went beyond Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner" or Reagan's "Mr Gorbatschow tear down that wal". The support was only the fallout of the general Cold War efforts in not letting have the Soviets control over the whole of Berlin.

Berlin might have been the casus belli, but for the ones being old enough to remember the Cold War plannings of both super powers, Eastern and Western Germany would have been the primary theater of nudlear exchange between the Soviet Union and the USA. I failed to see the support back then and I fail to see it now under these circumstances. Not in leaving behing a nuclear wasteland.
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(11-10-2019, 05:18 PM)abaris Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 04:22 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote: I meanWhat would really be ironic would be if the US, having supported Germany in taking down its walls which kept its people from leaving, then went on to build walls to keep its people from leaving.

Don't kid yourself. Berlin was a crucial part of the Cold War. It was never meant to be support for Germany, other than to have an advanced strategic base at Berlin. Support never went beyond Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner" or Reagan's "Mr Gorbatschow tear down that wal". The support was only the fallout of the general Cold War efforts in not letting have the Soviets control over the whole of Berlin.

Berlin might have been the casus belli, but for the ones being old enough to remember the Cold War plannings of both super powers, Eastern and Western Germany would have been the primary theater of nudlear exchange between the Soviet Union and the USA. I failed to see the support back then and I fail to see it now under these circumstances. Not in leaving behing a nuclear wasteland.

I was just using Deese's own words so maybe you and he could debate it, sounds like an interesting discussion topic.  I'm just commenting on incorrect use of irony rather than historical content.  I don't really have any idea of what degree the US actually supported Germany or supported wall-removal.  Nations do primarily what's in their own self-interest, sometimes that can overlap and benefit friends and allies.
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(11-10-2019, 07:52 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote: I don't really have any idea of what degree the US actually supported Germany or supported wall-removal.  Nations do primarily what's in their own self-interest, sometimes that can overlap and benefit friends and allies.

I can only tell you what drove us to the streets during the 80ies. The notion that the super powers would have it out on our continent, if there was a war.

Sure, Berlin benefitted from the airlift in '48 and Germany possibly benefitted from the military threat of US forces in place. But that doesn't change the fact that we knew we would be the nuclear battlefield if it came to war. When it came to us youngsters back then, this wasn't a desirable option and it overshadowed what we thought of US support.
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(11-10-2019, 03:23 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Housing in Germany is unaffordbable in general. We have experienced a crazy real estate bubble of epic proportions. We all know, since 2008, what this will lead to. I fear the worst.

Just read the morning news, and crossed an article about the number of homeless people skyrocketing in Germany.

Currently ca. 0,8% of people in Germany are homeless (sheltered), and 0,0625% are living on the streets.*
USA: 0,1% and 0,06%.

The german number however is inflated by asylum seekers. Without those the number however is still 0,34%. It is also influenced by the well known fact that public housing (= affordable apartments) went down by 75% since the peak during the late 80s.


*these are however estimations, since there is no official data
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#59

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Elon Musk announces Tesla factory for Berlin (Brandenburg to be precise)
10.000 new Jobs
Job adverts are already online
Make Germany great again   Modest
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#60

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Green Vault burgarized in Dresden

Quote:The Grünes Gewölbe (English: Green Vault) in Dresden is a unique historic museum that contains the largest collection of treasures in Europe.[1] Founded by Augustus the Strong in 1723, it features a rich variety of exhibits from the Baroque to Classicism. It is named after the formerly malachite green painted column bases and capitals of the initial rooms. It has some claim to be the oldest museum in the world; it is older than the British Museum, opened in 1759, but the Vatican Museums date their foundation to the public display of the newly excavated Laocoön group in 1506
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Material value is hard to determine, ideal value is "immeasurable"  Shake

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List of pieces

The vault on the left was broken and ca. 100 pieces taken
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One of the pieces: It belonged to the pricess of Bavaria / Queen of Saxony
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#61

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Prime minister of Singapore just visited our Conti HQ, with a big entourage, including some 40 motorbikes of escort (and some members of Conti board). Dont know exactly why, not even google seemed to know. Most probably regarding the big upcoming changes in automotive tech. His entourage was guided directly towards our "future tech R&D" department.

Will prolly upload a small vid later, where you can see all those peeps in dark suits crossing a walkway.
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#62

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Just found this awesome video. Dance 

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#63

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Alexander Gauland, head of the right wing german AfD.

His immunity has been revoked and a search warrant issued for his apartments in Frankfurt and Brandenburg, in order to look for evidence of suspected..........tax evasion.  ROFL2

The *oh-so-honorable* Afd, pointing fingers all the time at all those immoral politicians from the other parties.
Fucking hypocrites, who would have thought!?  Dance Big Grin Chuckle ROFL2
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#64

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German Banks Are Hoarding So Many Euros They Need More Vaults

Quote:German banks are stuffing vaults with money to help offset the mounting cost of negative interest rates, and some of them are running out of space.

The physical cash holdings of German banks rose to a record 43.4 billion euros ($48 billion) in December, according to Bundesbank data published on Friday. That’s almost triple the amount at the end of May 2014, the month before the European Central Bank started charging for deposits and raising the pressure on Germany’s already beleaguered banks.

Germans  Whistling  Modest  Dodgy
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#65

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#66

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Thuringia: A new governor was elected by parliament. This is a first: Its the first time one was elected with the votes of the right wing AfD, currently causing major political ripples up to Berlin.
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#67

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As could be expected a major political scandal evolved out of this. Luckily the backlash of getting himself elected with the help of fascists made the governor step back one day after his inauguration. What happened politically is not so dissimilar form the US (imho), the conservatives (and liberals) in their desire to gain power made themselves tools of the fascists, like the reps made themsleves tools of Trump. A faustian deal in both instances.

Here is the setup: Since 2014 the reigning coalition was red-red-green (left and left wing that is). In the 2019 election it was a landslide for the...fascists (blue), but everyone publicly claimed that they would never, NEVER cooperate with them.  Dodgy
Now, the result showed that red-red-green didn thave a majority left. A majority only could have been formed with the conservatives and far left (virtually impossible) or by involving the fascists. Guess what happened!?

The fasicsts put up their own candidate, but didnt vote for him! They, like the conservatives voted for the candidate of the liberals (who had a mere 5%!), thus the conservatives and liberals made themselves bitches of the fascists. The liberals got their candidate elected with the help of the fascists and the conservatives got along with it because they didnt want a red-red-green (minority) reign again.

P.S.: Guess which city is in Thuringia? Weimar.  Weeping


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#68

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You guys girding up for a 3d try, Deesse?

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If you move quickly Trumpolini will be on your side this time.
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(02-08-2020, 11:48 PM)Minimalist Wrote: You guys girding up for a 3d try, Deesse?

Pretty sure the script has flipped here ... I don't see Germans stuffing furriners into barbed-wire camps nowadays. Be fair.
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I don't see the AfD running kosher cooking classes, man.
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(02-09-2020, 01:23 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Pretty sure the script has flipped here ... I don't see Germans stuffing furriners into barbed-wire camps nowadays. Be fair.
Noooooooooooo, that would be evil.....and a waste. Imagine having to feed all those ..... Untermenschen. Some "accidental" fire in a home for refugees however.....  Winking

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(02-08-2020, 11:48 PM)Minimalist Wrote: You guys girding up for a 3d try, Deesse?
We have a saying here: 3 is a lucky number

P.S..: When you look at the election result, you may notice the grim irony: The strongest party is the (real ones!) socialists, but the governor was a liberal elected by fascists.
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(02-09-2020, 06:59 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:
(02-09-2020, 01:23 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Pretty sure the script has flipped here ... I don't see Germans stuffing furriners into barbed-wire camps nowadays. Be fair.
Noooooooooooo, that would be evil.....and a waste. Imagine having to feed all those ..... Untermenschen. Some "accidental" fire in a home for refugees however.....  Winking

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That's tragic. Have they caught the suspects?
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(02-09-2020, 05:26 AM)Minimalist Wrote: I don't see the AfD running kosher cooking classes, man.

It's rather Halal cooking classes these days. They need their poster jews to come over as merely conservative. Musliims however are fair game.

Although, Höcke, boss of the AfD in Thuringia once called the Holocaust memorial at Berlin a "memorial of shame".
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Mostly the arsonists dont get caught. Fucking cowards. Otoh in some more prominent cases where people (including kids) got killed the arsonists were caught. I think they are still rotting in a cell somehwere. Angry

In general there are attacks on refugee homes on a daily basis. Mostly stuff like damage to property. Statistics for 2015 and 2016 show ca. 150 fires caused by "thrid party" and ca. 150 "unknown"
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(02-09-2020, 02:12 PM)Deesse23 Wrote: Mostly the arsonists dont get caught. Fucking cowards. Otoh in some more prominent cases where people (including kids) got killed the arsonists were caught. I think they are still rotting in a cell somehwere.  Angry

In general there are attacks on refugee homes on a daily basis. Mostly stuff like damage to property. Statistics for 2015 and 2016 show ca. 150 fires caused by "thrid party" and ca. 150 "unknown"

This is being almost completely ignored by American media.
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