The Damned Cops Are Out Of Control

[Cavebear]

I am the one that quoted actual numbers on police involved deaths. NOBODY ELSE, JUST ME. So don't give me any shit about that.

You have steadfastly tried to explain away police actions resulting in callous racist and wrongful deaths.  This is something I can't support you on.  Sorry...

Show me where I do  that.

Well, you and I started discussing the subject in detail in January this year. The problem was that you would never actually respond to the links and questions but would just slough them off saying that the events weren't typical and that policemen were generally good. That doesn't leave many quotable posts.

And your stats were were about the numbers of police actions that DID go right. I don't disagree that most police/civilian interactions go right. But where specific events (and those can be listed) go wrong, you have never agreed.

Perhaps another way to answer your objection is to show list of Blacks and Hispanics. Which do you think were justified? The list is a bit non-columnized but I had to assemble it and did the best I could.

1/2/20 Jamari Daiwon Tarver 26 M B NV V ktnv.com, reviewjournal.com
1/4/20 Tyree Davis 25 M B IL K wgntv.com, suntimes.com
1/5/20 Kwamae Jones 17 M B FL G news4jax.com, jacksonville.com
1/5/20 Brandon D. Roberts 27 M B DE K delawareonline.com, wboc.com, delawareonline.com
1/5/20 Miciah Lee 18 M B NV G kolotv.com, ktvn.com, kkoh.com
1/9/20 Earl Facey 37 M B NY G nytimes.com, nbcnewyork.com, nypost.com, nytimes.com
1/9/20 Claude Fain 47 M B PA G cbslocal.com, inquirer.com
1/11/20 Henry Isaac Jones 47 M B GA G wtxl.com, walb.com
1/11/20 Ryan O. Simms 49 M B FL K nbcmiami.com, cbslocal.com, local10.com
1/13/20 Keenan McCain 29 M B IN G nbcchicago.com, abc7chicago.com
1/15/20 Renard Antonio Daniels 55 M B FL K wesh.com, clickorlando.com, wftv.com
1/15/20 Albert Lee Hughes 47 M B GA O gwinnettdailypost.com, ajc.com
1/16/20 Murbarak Soulemane 19 M B CT K fox61.com, wtnh.com
1/17/20 Samuel David Mallard 19 M B GA U ajc.com, fox5atlanta.com
1/21/20 Reginald Leon Boston 20 M B FL G jacksonville.com, news4jax.com
1/21/20 Darius J. Tarver 22 M B TX K nbcdfw.com, crosstimbersgazette.com
1/23/20 Deandre Lee Seaborough-Patterson 22 M B GA G savannahnow.com, wtoc.com
1/23/20 Marquis Golden 29 M B FL G tbreporter.com, abcactionnews.com
1/23/20 Andrew Smyrna 32 M B GA V wsbtv.com, fox5atlanta.com
1/23/20 Michael Rivera 32 M B NJ V nbcnewyork.com, abc7ny.com
1/25/20 D'ovion Semaj Perkins 19 M B CO G kdvr.com, thedenverchannel.com
1/25/20 Joshua James Brown 34 M B OH G 10tv.com, dispatch.com
1/27/20 William Howard Green 43 M B MD N fox5dc.com, nbcnews.com
1/27/20 Aaron T. Booker 22 M B SC G wistv.com, aikenstandard.com
1/29/20 Jaquyn Oneill Light 20 M B NC N wxii12.com, myfox8.com, myfox8.com
1/30/20 Abdirahman Salad 15 M B OH G abc6onyourside.com, nbc4i.com
1/30/20 Keith Dutree Collins 52 M B NC T abc11.com, newsobserver.com, abc11.com
2/1/20 Leonard Parker 53 M B MS V ajc.com, rockdalenewtoncitizen.com
2/1/20 Ronnell Mouzon 41 M B FL G news-press.com, winknews.com
2/2/20 Alvin Cole 17 M B WI G cbs58.com, fox6now.com, waow.com
2/3/20 Marc Dominic Neal 56 M B UT G ksl.com, fox13now.com
2/4/20 Darius Tarver 23 M B TX K nbcdfw.com, cbslocal.com, star-telegram.com
2/4/20 Dominique Antwon Anderson 26 M B CA K fresnobee.com, kmph.com
2/9/20 Jeremy Grayson 31 M B IL G chicagotribune.com, nbcchicago.com, cwbchicago.com
2/10/20 Bobby Gibbs 40 M B AR G wmcactionnews5.com, wmcactionnews5.com
2/18/20 Kevin Adolphe 23 M B FL G clickorlando.com, wesh.com
2/20/20 Joseph Jewell 17 M B OH G abc6onyourside.com, nbc4i.com
2/25/20 Kenneth Sashington 38 M B AL G al.com, washingtonpost.com
2/25/20 SanJuan Migayle Thomas 39 M B LA G shreveporttimes.com, ksla.com, ksla.com
2/25/20 Matthew Felix 19 M B NY V nbcnewyork.com, abc7ny.com
2/26/20 Justin Lee Stackhouse 30 M B FL V bradenton.com, mysuncoast.com
2/29/20 Anthony Taylor 49 M B WI G jsonline.com, wisn.com, wisn.com
3/5/20 Elijah Jamaal Brewer 25 M B PA G wtae.com, triblive.com
3/6/20 Tyler M. Jones 24 M B OH G fox19.com, wcpo.com
3/6/20 Barry Gedeus 27 M B FL N sun-sentinel.com, sun-sentinel.com, sun-sentinel.com
3/12/20 Breonna Taylor 26 F B KY N wlky.com
3/12/20 Donnie Sanders 47 M B MO N fox4kc.com, apnews.com
3/16/20 Darwin Foy 35 M B IA G messengernews.net, kcci.com
3/17/20 William Simpkins 39 M B GA G fox5atlanta.com, ajc.com
3/18/20 Harold Spencer 61 M B LA G katc.com, klfy.com, houmatoday.com
3/18/20 Lebarron Ballard 28 M B TX K ktxs.com, myfoxzone.com
3/20/20 Mycael Johnson 31 M B FL N wtxl.com, wctv.tv, wtxl.com
3/20/20 Kamall Koby Edwards 18 M B GA G wtvm.com, ajc.com
3/20/20 Alvin Lamont Baum 23 M B VA G wtkr.com, usnews.com
3/27/20 Tyrell Fincher 26 M B NY G spectrumlocalnews.com, midhudsonnews.com
3/30/20 Etonne Tanzymore 38 M B MD G foxbaltimore.com, baltimoresun.com
4/2/20 Nathan R. Hodge 66 M B LA G thenewsstar.com, knoe.com
4/7/20 Idris Abdus-Salaam 33 M B TN K knoxnews.com, knoxnews.com
4/7/20 Dewayne Curtis Lafond 45 M B TX G crossroadstoday.com
4/8/20 Joshua Dariandre Ruffin 17 M B SC G wistv.com, wltx.com
4/9/20 Zyon Romeir Wyche 19 M B VA G richmond.com, nbc12.com
4/11/20 Jonathan Lee Adams 31 M B PA G pennlive.com, 6abc.com
4/15/20 Goldie Bellinger 39 M B GA G ajc.com, wjbf.com
4/16/20 Jasman Washington 31 M B TX V lubbockonline.com
4/17/20 Derick L. Powe M B AL G al.com, fox10tv.com
4/18/20 Steven Taylor 33 M B CA B abc7news.com, yahoo.com
4/19/20 Virgill Thrope 28 M B CO G krdo.com, newsbreak.com
4/21/20 Chase Rosa 24 M B NV G 8newsnow.com, reviewjournal.com
4/22/20 Elmer L. Mack 40 M B SC G scnow.com
4/22/20 Joshua Johnson 35 M B TX T abc13.com, wtol.com
4/28/20 Jonas Joseph 26 M B FL G tampabay.com, fox13news.com
4/29/20 Malcolm Xavier Ray Williams 27 M B IN G wlky.com, newsandtribune.com
5/1/20 William Debose 21 M B CO G kdvr.com, thedenverchannel.com
5/1/20 Shaun Lee Fuhr 24 M B WA N komonews.com, q13fox.com, komonews.com, seattletimes.com
5/1/20 Brent Martin 32 M B AR G thv11.com, fox16.com
5/1/20 Said Joquin 26 M B WA G kiro7.com, twitter.com
5/4/20 Demontre Bruner 21 M B OK G tulsaworld.com, kjrh.com
5/5/20 Qavon Webb 23 M B MO G kmov.com, ksdk.com
5/5/20 Jah'Sean Iandie Hodge 21 M B FL K clickorlando.com, positivelyosceola.com
5/6/20 Dreasjon Reed 21 M B IN G indystar.com, indystar.com
5/7/20 McHale Rose 19 M B IN G theindychannel.com, indystar.com
5/8/20 Adrian Medearis 48 M B TX O houstonchronicle.com, whtc.com
5/9/20 Finan H. Berhe 30 M B MD K wusa9.com, wjla.com
5/9/20 Yassin Mohamed 47 M B GA B statesboroherald.com, wjcl.com
5/13/20 David Tylek Atkinson 24 M B NC G abc11.com, newsobserver.com
5/14/20 Rayshard Scales 30 M B TX T click2houston.com, fox26houston.com
5/16/20 Robert Johnson 29 M B MD G cbslocal.com, baltimoresun.com
5/16/20 Randy Roszell Lewis 38 M B TX K abc13.com, chron.com, khou.com
5/20/20 Tobby Wiggins 45 M B AL U weartv.com, atmorenews.com
5/21/20 Willie Lee Quarles 60 M B SC G foxcarolina.com, postandcourier.com
5/23/20 Maurice S. Gordon 28 M B NJ N courierpostonline.com, nbcphiladelphia.com, washingtonpost.com
5/25/20 Dion Johnson 28 M B AZ U kvoa.com, abc15.com
5/27/20 Tony McDade 38 M B FL G nbcnews.com
5/27/20 Modesto Reyes 35 M B LA G wdsu.com, nola.com
5/28/20 Ruben Smith 35 M B AR G arktimes.com, fox16.com
5/29/20 Momodou Lamin Sisay 39 M B GA G 11alive.com, ajc.com, washingtonpost.com
5/29/20 Jarvis Sullivan 44 M B FL V news4jax.com, jacksonville.com
5/30/20 Derrick Thompson 46 M B FL G dothaneagle.com, wjhg.com
6/1/20 David McAtee 53 M B KY G whas11.com, nbcnews.com, cnn.com
6/2/20 Tyquarn Graves 33 M B NY G nydailynews.com, news12.com
6/6/20 Kamal Flowers 24 M B NY G abc7ny.com, lohud.com
6/9/20 Lewis Ruffin 38 M B FL G wftv.com, fox35orlando.com
6/11/20 Michael Thomas 62 M B CA U cbsnews.com, thedailybeast.com, latimes.com
6/12/20 Rayshard Brooks 27 M B GA O atlantaintownpaper.com, ajc.com
6/12/20 Caine Van Pelt 23 M B IN G abc7chicago.com, nwitimes.com
6/17/20 Terron Jammal Boone 31 M B CA G kiro7.com, foxla.com, latimes.com
6/22/20 An unidentified person 43 M B TX K kvue.com, cbslocal.com
6/23/20 Chazz Hailey 22 M B TX K kxii.com, kten.com
6/25/20 Rasheed M. Moorman 26 M B VA G wset.com
7/2/20 Ky Johnson 31 M B MO G kansascity.com, fox4kc.com, hayspost.com, kansascity.com
7/2/20 Kevan Ruffin 32 M B WI K whbl.com, sheboyganpress.com, sheboyganpress.com, sheboyganpress.com
7/6/20 Joseph W. Denton 35 M B WI G channel3000.com, tmj4.com
7/10/20 Hakim Littleton 20 M B MI G clickondetroit.com, freep.com
7/18/20 Darius Washington 24 M B IL G chicagotribune.com, abc7chicago.com, nwitimes.com
7/20/20 Vincent Harris 51 M B LA G theadvocate.com, wbrz.com, wafb.com, wafb.com
7/21/20 Southern Jeremy 22 M B CA G cbslocal.com, sacbee.com
7/24/20 David Earl Brooks 45 M B NC G wral.com, abc11.com
7/27/20 David Earl Brooks 45 M B NC G wral.com, ncadvertiser.com
7/30/20 Darrien Walker 28 M B MI K detroitnews.com, fox2detroit.com, fox2detroit.com
8/6/20 Amir Johnson 30 M B NJ news12.com, 6abc.com
8/7/20 Salaythis Melvin 22 M B FL G orlandosentinel.com, clickorlando.com, fox35orlando.com
8/7/20 Julian Edward Roosevelt Thompson 60 M B GA N fox23.com, fox23.com
8/8/20 Jonathan Jefferson 34 M B LA K shreveporttimes.com, bossiernow.com, ktbs.com, ksla.com
8/15/20 Anthony McClain 32 M B CA G abc7.com, foxla.com, cbslocal.com
8/18/20 Adrian Jason Roberts 37 M B NC K abc11.com, wral.com
8/21/20 Hasani Best 39 M B NJ K dailyvoice.com, app.com
8/21/20 Trayford Pellerin 31 M B LA K upi.com, theadvocate.com, nytimes.com
8/22/20 Christopher Walker 29 M B CA G latimes.com, sacbee.com
8/23/20 Gearil Leonard Williams 47 M B GA K firstcoastnews.com, news4jax.com
8/25/20 Damian Lamar Daniels 31 M B TX G ksat.com, sanangelolive.com, sanantonioreport.org
8/26/20 Julius Kehyei 29 M B TX G abc13.com, houstonchronicle.com
8/29/20 Michael Anthony Harris 44 M B FL G news-journalonline.com, clickorlando.com
8/31/20 Dijon Kizzee 29 M B CA G nbclosangeles.com, abc7.com
9/2/20 Deon Kay 18 M B DC G cbslocal.com, washingtonpost.com
9/4/20 Steve D. Smith 33 M B NY G syracuse.com, syracuse.com
9/5/20 Major Carvel Baldwin 61 M B TX K ktsa.com, mysanantonio.com
9/8/20 Steve Gilbert 33 M B FL G sun-sentinel.com, wptv.com, palmbeachpost.com
9/10/20 Jonathan Darsaw 49 M B TN G fox17.com, wreg.com
9/12/20 Robert Coleman 88 M B CA G kcra.com, cbslocal.com, cbslocal.com
9/15/20 Darrell Zemault 55 M B TX G ksat.com, mysanantonio.com
9/19/20 Charles Eric Moses 33 M B GA G thebrunswicknews.com, wtoc.com
9/19/20 Derek Cooper 52 M B GA G fox5atlanta.com, ajc.com
9/21/20 Dearian Bell 28 M B GA G ajc.com, 11alive.com
9/23/20 Kurt Andras Reinhold 42 M B CA U cbslocal.com, foxla.com
1/2/20 Mariano Ocon 31 M H IL G wgntv.com, radio.com
1/2/20 Michael Gregory 30 M H CT K wtnh.com, nbcconnecticut.com
1/5/20 Drew Nichols Wallas-Flores 30 M H TX G kcbd.com, lubbockonline.com
1/6/20 Xavier Jaime Rovie 28 M H AZ G azfamily.com, azcentral.com
1/6/20 Orlando Abeyta 28 M H NM G krqe.com, koat.com
1/10/20 Juan Ayon-Ruiz 24 M H CA V cbslocal.com, abc7.com
1/12/20 Victor Valencia 31 M H CA T nbclosangeles.com, cbslocal.com, abc7.com, yovenice.com
1/14/20 Eliezer Perez 51 M H FL K clickorlando.com, ocala.com, wftv.com
1/20/20 Miguel Mercado Segura 31 M H CA G ocregister.com, latimes.com, latimes.com
1/22/20 Armando Moreno Garcia 37 M H AZ G azfamily.com, fox10phoenix.com
1/24/20 Toby Diller 31 M H CA G nbcsandiego.com, nbcsandiego.com
1/28/20 Robert Cocio 39 M H AZ G kvoa.com, kold.com, tucson.com
2/5/20 Gaston A. Nava-Saucedo 33 M H KS V kwch.com, ktul.com
2/13/20 Aaron Marcos Valdez 19 M H TX G newschannel10.com
2/13/20 Abel Lopez-Lopez 37 M H NV U mynews4.com, kkoh.com
2/14/20 William Bluestone 21 M H OR G kgw.com, nbc16.com
2/14/20 Christopher Gutierrez M H CA K abc7.com
2/16/20 Rudy Arenas 40 M H FL G clickorlando.com, wfla.com
2/19/20 Alex Francisco Vazquez 38 M H CA G redding.com, redbluffdailynews.com
2/21/20 Manuel Arebalo 40 M H CO K thedenverchannel.com, cbslocal.com, kdvr.com
2/22/20 Rodrigo Ivan Aguirre 36 M H NM G krqe.com, demingheadlight.com
2/26/20 Ramiro Carrasco 30 M H CO G 9news.com, thedenverchannel.com
2/27/20 Dorgel Cisnero-Mesa 39 M H FL G jacksonville.com, actionnewsjax.com, jacksonville.com
2/28/20 Jose L. Rivera 22 M H WA G yaktrinews.com, kpq.com, ifiberone.com
2/29/20 Richard Rodriguez 45 M H TX G kens5.com, cbslocal.com
3/1/20 Raymundo Aaron Ceja 30 M H CA G cbslocal.com, ktla.com
3/3/20 Jose Antonio Gainza 49 M H FL K wsvn.com, nbcmiami.com
3/8/20 Desiree Nicole Garza 29 F H CA K abc7.com
3/9/20 Jesus Bonito Garcia 47 M H TX K ksat.com
3/10/20 Pablo Elias 44 M H CA N nbclosangeles.com, ktla.com, mynewsla.com
3/13/20 Jorge Martinez 30 M H OK U kjrh.com, claremoreprogress.com
3/13/20 Rosario Angel Alvarado 41 M H AZ T azcentral.com, yourvalley.net
3/14/20 Jeremiah Medina 31 M H NM G ladailypost.com, koat.com, abqjournal.com
3/15/20 Catherine Gomez 25 F H CA K latimes.com, cbslocal.com
3/16/20 Juanito Ovalle 58 M H TX K ksat.com, mysanantonio.com
3/23/20 Carlos Delgado 46 M H TX B ksat.com, news4sanantonio.com
3/24/20 Maurico Hernandez 31 M H TX G elpasotimes.com, ktsm.com
3/31/20 Anthony Eduardo Pacheco 37 M H CA K dailybulletin.com, latimes.com
3/31/20 Valente Acosta-Bustillos 52 M H NM B abqjournal.com, abqjournal.com
4/2/20 Jose Moreno 30 M H AZ O abc15.com, 12news.com
4/2/20 Jose Soto 27 M H CT N courant.com, courant.com
4/6/20 Yamil Acevedo 29 M H FL V miamiherald.com, publishedreporter.com
4/13/20 Javier Vidal 36 M H CA G oxygen.com, kmph.com
4/16/20 Juan Ayon-Barraza 24 M H CA G yahoo.com, nbcbayarea.com
4/21/20 Nicholas Chavez 27 M H TX K houstonchronicle.com, khou.com, click2houston.com
4/21/20 Nicolas Chavez 27 M H TX O abc13.com, houstonpublicmedia.org, nytimes.com
4/24/20 Michael Ramos 42 M H TX N statesman.com, fox7austin.com
4/27/20 Christopher Aguirre 28 M H TX G apnews.com, houstontx.gov
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5/23/20 Bernardo Palacios-Carbajal 22 M H UT G ksl.com, sltrib.com
5/25/20 Joe Louis Castillanos 38 M H TX G chron.com, abc13.com
5/26/20 John Alvarado 22 M H TX G kristv.com, caller.com
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5/27/20 Rommel Mendoza 50 M H CA K ktla.com, cbslocal.com
5/27/20 Hector Hernandez 31 M H CA K abc7.com, fullertonobserver.com
6/1/20 Jorge Gomez 25 M H NV G reviewjournal.com, fox5vegas.com
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6/3/20 Eric A. Galvan 25 M H TX G caller.com, caller.com, kiiitv.com
6/6/20 Erik Salgado 22 M H CA U kron4.com, cbslocal.com, ktvu.com
6/13/20 Anthony Angel Armenta 21 M H CA T sbsun.com, ktla.com, sbsun.com
6/18/20 Andres Guardado 18 M H CA G foxla.com, abc7.com
6/23/20 Kevin Pulido 43 M H CO G krdo.com, kktv.com
6/25/20 Martin Humberto Sanchez Fregoso 37 M H GA G wsbtv.com, ajc.com
6/27/20 Leonardo Hurtado Ibarra 25 M H CA G 10news.com, cbs8.com
6/29/20 Nick Costales 34 M H CA G kmph.com, yourcentralvalley.com
7/4/20 James Porter Garcia 28 M H AZ U washingtonpost.com, azcentral.com
7/4/20 Axel Perez 17 M H FL K firstcoastnews.com, actionnewsjax.com
7/14/20 Cristhian Eliud Ramos-Murillo 32 M H TN G wbir.com, wate.com, wate.com
7/14/20 Julio Jaramillo 28 M H NM G demingheadlight.com, krqe.com
7/30/20 Gabriel Salinas 39 M H TX G cbslocal.com, themonitor.com
8/5/20 Roberto Hernandez 29 M H TX G runnelscountyregister.com, gosanangelo.com
8/6/20 Vasquinho Bettencourt 35 M H CA G patch.com, cbslocal.com, eastbaytimes.com
8/9/20 Ryan Shane Hinojo 26 M H TX G kfoxtv.com, elpasotexas.gov
8/10/20 Jose Vallejos 48 M H NM G krqe.com, kob.com
8/10/20 Americo Reyes 40 M H NE K theindependent.com, ketv.com
8/11/20 Lyana Gilmore 48 F H CO G gazette.com, koaa.com, chieftain.com
8/13/20 Derick Manuel Bonilla 39 M H AZ G azfamily.com, kgun9.com, azfamily.com
8/16/20 Jose Manuel Castro 27 M H CA K abc30.com, kmph.com
8/17/20 Marco Antonio Sigala 27 M H TX G kens5.com, progresstimes.net
8/17/20 Everardo Gonzalez Santana 65 M H CA K bakersfieldnow.com, turnto23.com, turnto23.com
8/17/20 Santos Anthony Villegas 36 M H CA G cbslocal.com, sbsun.com
8/19/20 Ronald Stuart Chipman 39 M H AZ G azcentral.com, 12news.com
8/19/20 Samuel Mata 21 M H TX G foxnewssouthtexas.com, valleymorningstar.com, themonitor.com
8/28/20 Julio Cesar Moran-Ruiz 36 M H MD V wusa9.com, wtop.com
8/29/20 Jesse David Nava 25 M H CA K cbslocal.com, nbclosangeles.com
8/31/20 Marco Antonio Benito 36 M H NM U the-journal.com, durangoherald.com
8/31/20 Miguel Vega 26 M H IL G suntimes.com, nbcchicago.com
9/12/20 Christopher Escobedo M H CO G cbslocal.com, 9news.com
9/13/20 Ricardo Munoz 27 M H PA K abc27.com, local21news.com, lancasteronline.com, washingtonpost.com
9/22/20 Victor Sanchez 44 M H TX G mysanantonio.com, ksat.com
9/25/20 Angel Benitez 21 M H AZ U kgun9.com, azfamily.com