Climate Change

[Rhythmcs]

IDK. The malthusian bet has historically been a bad one. On some level it seems like we keep waiting for it to pay off because we believe we deserve it..but nature doesn't play by those rules, and we don't play by nature's. It's worth considering how resilient we are, and how expectations based on other animals behaviors rarely pays out in our arc. There's a version of the future that's less tyler durden and more philip k dick. More crowded and yet lonelier, absolutely filthy everywhere we care to look. Long covid for planet earth.

[Alan V]

The malthusian bet has historically been a bad one.

If climate change continues as projected, then we are witnessing the beginnings of the sixth great mass extinction event in the long history of the planet.  The warming of the ocean far outpaces the warming of the atmosphere.  So that warming plus ocean acidification will kill off a lot of ocean life.  The Amazon rainforest with its remarkable diversity of life might largely disappear too.  

Yes, humans may still prevail, but what kind of planet will we inhabit?  One of extreme rainfalls, flooding, heat-waves, wildfires, droughts, and so on.  I assume our quality of life will drop considerably in such altered environments.

Personally I am just as concerned about the natural world we inhabit as with the future of humanity.

[Antonio]

Good chance humans will go extinct because of our greed and ignorance . We are probably just a short lived species . It happens in the natural world . Nothing special.

[SYZ]

Analysis of data from the 2023 Mission Australia Youth
Survey showed  that 60% of those surveyed aged 15
to 19 years had concerns about climate change, with
just over 20% being "very"or "extremely" concerned.

One of the constraining issues halting the rate of
climate change is that we—who live in purported
democracies—are fooling ourselves that we do live
in a democracy when in actuality of course we don't.

If for example Americans lived in a true democracy,
Trump would be in jail and Harris would be President,
and Musk wouldn't be a trillionaire.

The true will of the plebeians in Western democracies is
never heard and/or ignored by those in power, and never
acted upon in other than a very few cases.

The ideal is a viable 21st century democratic-socialist state.

These two books put forward good cases:

https://www.amazon.com.au/Socialist-Mani...1541617398

https://www.amazon.com.au/Why-You-Should...1250200865

[Cavebear]

Good chance humans will go extinct because of our greed and ignorance . We are probably just a short lived species . It happens in the natural world . Nothing special.

I doubt we will go extinct due to "climate change". When it gets even worse, we will take actions to adjust it when forced to. We put off problems as long as we can, but I think we do act sensibly in the long term.

It seems to be a debate between climate change deniers (people who profit from making the climate worse) and those who understand the coming problem and suggest solutions. This is actually an age-old fight between "status quo" and those who understand "future consequences".

I had a carpool member who thought current profits were all that mattered, who said "the future is not my problem", and who actually thought cheating at anything was "OK as long as you didn't get caught". Getting "caught to him meant he failed to do it well enough.

Need I say he was a "dedicated Republican member of The Chamber Of Commerce"? Birds of a feather fly together, LOL!

But in spite of people like him, who only think of themselves and in the short term, I expect we (more ethical people) will slowly solve the problems of the day. It isn't going to be easy, but there are technologies that will help and we will get them routine eventually.

[Antonio]

Good chance humans will go extinct because of our greed and ignorance . We are probably just a short lived species . It happens in the natural world . Nothing special.

I doubt we will go extinct due to "climate change".  When it gets even worse, we will take actions to adjust it when forced to.  We put off problems as long as we can, but I think we do act sensibly in the long term.

It seems to be a debate between climate change deniers (people who profit from making the climate worse) and those who understand the coming problem and suggest solutions.  This is actually an age-old fight between "status quo" and those who understand "future consequences".  

I had a carpool member who thought current profits were all that mattered, who said "the future is not my problem", and who actually thought cheating at anything was "OK as long as you didn't get caught".  Getting "caught to him meant he failed to do it well enough.




Need I say he was a "dedicated Republican member of The Chamber Of Commerce"?  Birds of a feather fly together, LOL!

But in spite of people like him, who only think of themselves and in the short term, I expect we (more ethical people) will slowly solve the problems of the day.  It isn't going to be easy, but there are technologies that will help and we will get them routine eventually.

Better chance of "god will handle it" than humans will handle it