The Brexit Thread (topical thread)

[OakTree500]

Can I ask, and in fairly simple terms and not paragraphs upon paragraphs of whatever, what the made up narrative is?

In one single sentence? That UK voters wanted to cancel Brexit.

Ok - that's never been the narrative though has it? If given the chance, most people who voted remain WOULD cancel brexit, because it's obviously against what we voted for in the first place - However, nobody to my knowledge has ever made that statement for ALL people in the UK outside of "I voted remain, and would like to cancel brexit", which you would say.

When it comes down to the initial vote, the EU parliamentary elections and also subsequent elections since, it's been a case of:

Initial EU vote: Leave won, BUT we didn't vote on what type of brexit that was supposed to be, which should have been the crucial part, you would thin. It was also Advisory. This would mean it gives the government the overall idea of what the public wants to do, which SHOULD have resulted in more information on what CAN be done and what options are available, thus allowing people to further Vote on A) if we SHOULD go ahead [which would need a majority vote] and B) what the popular type of brexit deal should also take place; No Deal - Canada Deal - Stay with EU rules etc. I've said before - if brexit was done properly and not essentially hung on "Stop foreigners coming here and stealing our jobs" AND it was said that it could be done properly, that benefited all parties equally without making us all look like stupid pricks in the process, I'd be all up for it.

The EU elections took place after this:
[From Wiki]

Various analyses have sought to combine vote shares for different parties together to index a pro-Remain or pro-Leave vote. A Press Association report combined support for explicitly anti-Brexit parties, defined as the LibDems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Change UK, to get 40.4% versus those supporting a no-deal Brexit, the Brexit Party and UKIP, on 34.9% (figures are for Great Britain only, excluding Northern Ireland where there was a majority for anti-Brexit parties).

This would suggest that while "brexit party" was the biggest single voting party - the addition of all other parties with anti-brexit sentiments was the larger vote, meaning that MORE of the public [who voted at least] wanted people involved in the European Parliament who didn't want to have brexit.

Of course the latter UK elections where a complete shit show, and I personally don't hang that all on Brexit itself, but some of the stuff going round and the time was bonkers. Outright lies from the Torys [Not just relating to brexit but a number of things], huge unpopularity for labor, an unlikable lib dem candidate as well - it just wasn't meant to be.

Moving forward - Before, during and post election, if anything I personally [and so many others] are just PISSED that the government will publish stuff like Yellow Hammer, that gives us a very good indication of how bad it could just be [and that wasn't even WORST case] to this gem from 2017 [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...EU_Web.pdf] that says:

The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.

 
So things like "I voted to regain soverignty" are BULLSHIT. This whole thing has been to the public on bullshit, and THAT is what worries those that voted remain. I cannot trust my own government to keep the country and it's sister country's together, let alone make deals with anybody when we already had a pretty good fucking deal in the first place.

Whether you agree with the EU on a personal level or not, the place that the UK was in in terms of being an EU member was sovereign, fully to control our own borders if chosen to do so [and we've always been able to do for non EU citizens] and with Free trade and pre-existing agreements for other countries around with world because of it. The second we leave, we're in unknown territory with very little to actually bargain with. Many manufacturers have already said "oh shit" and moved/planned to move into mainland europe once this is done, and slowly we are seeing the ripple effects now coming in and those who voted leave seeing how this will effect them:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...35281.html

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic...ssion=true
[Government taking 200M from Welsh budget]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po...02381.html

[UK Farmer now realising that the low skilled migrants not being allowed to come into the country from the EU, will directly effect his business]

And the list really DOES go on. My main problem is that people have been LIED to - yet the supposed majority isn't bothered because "Two world wars, and one world cup" which is just fucking insane.

Again, I'm now at the point, where I'm letting this all run it's course, and just HOPE for the best. Maybe boris will crumble in negotiations like he did with the ireland deal:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/econ...-1.4049069

Which is again part of the whole point. Boris is a total plank. A man whos been fired for lying before:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po...29076.html


And caves in on important deals for the country which he says he WONT do, how can anybody trust this absolutly horrible, racist ["“watermelon smiles"- Boris johnsonm, on African children, and of course there any many MORE examples ], Sexist ["just pat her on the bottom and send her on her way" - again 1 example of MANY], homophobic ["tank-topped bumboys" - you get the idea, 1 of many examples] ARSEHOLE of gigantic proportions.