Somehow I misplaced this sentence, here it is corrected:
Yes this is why I was mentioning how he's completely mad. They just have to look at our national broadband network to see what a disaster it was. Even Telstra have admitted the NBN was wrong from the start. They've delivered a slower more expensive network than the market would have made. All the government needed to intervene in was in connecting rural and remote areas, and other properties that are not commercially viable for private business to do. In fact our NBN is exactly what the journalist's criticisms of his socialist internet policy are based on. The major, major problem with the NBN is that the government has created a monopolistic network that others are not allowed to compete with (unless they already had their networks in place beforehand). This is fucking stupid, and we need to scrap that immediately. Then Transact and other networks that have been prevented from expanding can do so, and can compete more effectively against NBN.
Allow me to cite a couple of passages from Secret weapon every leader needs an excellent article by Joe Hildebrand:
Anyone who has had anything to do with the Labor movement here or abroad knows that there are countless dimwitted dead-eyed socialists out there and it’s the job of the movement to stop them achieving power.
No fucking kidding. This perfectly sums up the problem with UK Labour in a single sentence - they've let a socialist mad man be in charge. Worse still, they're letting him pursue his deluded dream of a Venezuelan socialist utopia. Corbyn repeatedly refused to criticise Venezuela's socialism or President Maduro (who he supported) all the while maintaining that the reason for the collapse of Venezuela was their over-reliance on oil rather than their socialist government. He makes the likes of Richard Di Natale look sensible.
Now it takes a special kind of emotionally deadened horse post to want to work for an organisation where five out of six people want you sacked but fortunately for the Conservative Party – if not the nation – Jeremy Corbyn is just such a man.
And so where any normal human being would have immediately withdrawn with the usual niceties, Corbyn instead decided to dig in like the angry little badger that he is. He forced a vote of the Labour membership and – as he had a year earlier – won a thumping majority.
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And yet this curmudgeonly old commie keeps marching catatonically from one brain-dead decision to the next. Having been dragged to the polls against every effort of obstructionism he could muster, he then declared: “We will now launch the most ambitious and radical campaign for real change that our country has ever seen.”
That sentence alone should be enough to scare the shit out of any nation, let alone a country that has spent the last three years proving it is incapable of radical change. Indeed, it is fair to say that most of Corbyn’s colleagues called for a fresh pair of trousers as soon as it lobbed in their inbox. Honestly, if you gave this guy a grenade he would shove it down his Y-fronts and wear the pin as an earring.
The fact is Corbyn is just not quite right, and that is not even his fault. Anyone who has had anything to do with the Labor movement here or abroad knows that there are countless dimwitted dead-eyed socialists out there and it’s the job of the movement to stop them achieving power.
Unfortunately, in Corbyn’s case, the system failed.
According to the latest Delta Poll, Lib-Dem support is down 5 points from last week, with 80% of that support going to the Tories and only 20% going to Labour. That's great news for Johnson, and shows exactly what I said in my previous post that Lib-Dem will not be taken seriously by the electorate while their defining cause is to "Stop Brexit". A lot of voters will see that as supporting further chaos and uncertainty, in part because there's no way that Lib-Dem can implement their policy - they will only be in a position to support or oppose the policies of the Tories and Labour, and effectively they're saying they're in opposition to both of them.
Brexit Party is doing a lot better than the numbers may make it look. Lib-Dem are standing in 611 seats. So their vote is really 12% in the seats they're standing in, not 11%. Brexit Party on the other hand have 6% of the vote but at only standing in 274 seats, so their support (according to Delta Poll) is 14% in the seats they're standing in. Of course this is assuming voters polled know whether or not they can vote for those parties. I still don't think they've got much chance, and I think their real support is closer to 9-10%, and that they're picking up responses from people who don't yet know they can't vote BP. I base this on the fact that their numbers are unchanged from the previous week where it was believed they'd be fielding more than 300 candidates - but around 40 have stood down (much to Farage's anger), and I suspect that number was still inflated. Farage is a good campaigner, but his party has a completely dead purpose, I don't expect he'll have much effect on the election.
(11-16-2019, 05:10 AM)Aractus Wrote: Lib Dem of course are in no position to win in their own right either. This is partly because they've positioned themselves as firmly anti-Leave. This is one of the problems of minor parties that try to position themselves to the centre - if they start making ideological decisions they're not longer representative of their base. The fact that they're much more moderate than Labour is also who they can't just stand aside for Labour: they need to get themselves into a stronger position than Labour if they are to ever govern. This is partly why they're campaigning directly against Labour and not the Tories, and why their policy is to revoke article 50, not hold a second referendum. Their natural votership is presently held by Labour and they need to win them over. Most of their voters are also anti-Brexit, so as a minor party they need a clear simple message. This should net them some great results come December 12.
Lib Dem is not helped by the fact that their leader Jo Swinson is unpopular and delusional. At the campaign launch she claimed she can be the next Prime Minister, and that this was a "once in a lifetime election". It's idiotic claims like that the electorate doesn't appreciate. Once in a lifetime - really? Or is it just once in every 5 years?
I don't mean to come across as partisan, but Lib Dem will never be a major party if they behave in this way. They need to position their party to the centre-left, then they can take the place of Labour who have marched headlong to the far, far, left. That would allow them to build a very strong political base. You don't get there by being anti-eurosceptic. If they were serious about stopping Johnson they would not have made their policy to Remain. They would have put forward a credible alternative that the centre-left electorate has strong support for. By making their "defining cause" stopping Brexit, they've lost all credibility as the sensible centre.
(11-16-2019, 08:51 PM)grympy Wrote: Huff Post UK, yesterday, 16 Nov.
Jeremy Corbyn is promising FREE, FAST, INTERNET for all if he's elected. The estimated cost is 20 billion pounds. That means the actual cost will probably be several times that figure. Can't help but wonder how many people will fall for that crass piece of pork barrelling
Yes this is why I was mentioning how he's completely mad. They just have to look at our national broadband network to see what a disaster it was. Even Telstra have admitted the NBN was wrong from the start. They've delivered a slower more expensive network than the market would have made. All the government needed to intervene in was in connecting rural and remote areas, and other properties that are not commercially viable for private business to do. In fact our NBN is exactly what the journalist's criticisms of his socialist internet policy are based on. The major, major problem with the NBN is that the government has created a monopolistic network that others are not allowed to compete with (unless they already had their networks in place beforehand). This is fucking stupid, and we need to scrap that immediately. Then Transact and other networks that have been prevented from expanding can do so, and can compete more effectively against NBN.
Allow me to cite a couple of passages from Secret weapon every leader needs an excellent article by Joe Hildebrand:
Anyone who has had anything to do with the Labor movement here or abroad knows that there are countless dimwitted dead-eyed socialists out there and it’s the job of the movement to stop them achieving power.
No fucking kidding. This perfectly sums up the problem with UK Labour in a single sentence - they've let a socialist mad man be in charge. Worse still, they're letting him pursue his deluded dream of a Venezuelan socialist utopia. Corbyn repeatedly refused to criticise Venezuela's socialism or President Maduro (who he supported) all the while maintaining that the reason for the collapse of Venezuela was their over-reliance on oil rather than their socialist government. He makes the likes of Richard Di Natale look sensible.
Now it takes a special kind of emotionally deadened horse post to want to work for an organisation where five out of six people want you sacked but fortunately for the Conservative Party – if not the nation – Jeremy Corbyn is just such a man.
And so where any normal human being would have immediately withdrawn with the usual niceties, Corbyn instead decided to dig in like the angry little badger that he is. He forced a vote of the Labour membership and – as he had a year earlier – won a thumping majority.
...
And yet this curmudgeonly old commie keeps marching catatonically from one brain-dead decision to the next. Having been dragged to the polls against every effort of obstructionism he could muster, he then declared: “We will now launch the most ambitious and radical campaign for real change that our country has ever seen.”
That sentence alone should be enough to scare the shit out of any nation, let alone a country that has spent the last three years proving it is incapable of radical change. Indeed, it is fair to say that most of Corbyn’s colleagues called for a fresh pair of trousers as soon as it lobbed in their inbox. Honestly, if you gave this guy a grenade he would shove it down his Y-fronts and wear the pin as an earring.
The fact is Corbyn is just not quite right, and that is not even his fault. Anyone who has had anything to do with the Labor movement here or abroad knows that there are countless dimwitted dead-eyed socialists out there and it’s the job of the movement to stop them achieving power.
Unfortunately, in Corbyn’s case, the system failed.
According to the latest Delta Poll, Lib-Dem support is down 5 points from last week, with 80% of that support going to the Tories and only 20% going to Labour. That's great news for Johnson, and shows exactly what I said in my previous post that Lib-Dem will not be taken seriously by the electorate while their defining cause is to "Stop Brexit". A lot of voters will see that as supporting further chaos and uncertainty, in part because there's no way that Lib-Dem can implement their policy - they will only be in a position to support or oppose the policies of the Tories and Labour, and effectively they're saying they're in opposition to both of them.
Brexit Party is doing a lot better than the numbers may make it look. Lib-Dem are standing in 611 seats. So their vote is really 12% in the seats they're standing in, not 11%. Brexit Party on the other hand have 6% of the vote but at only standing in 274 seats, so their support (according to Delta Poll) is 14% in the seats they're standing in. Of course this is assuming voters polled know whether or not they can vote for those parties. I still don't think they've got much chance, and I think their real support is closer to 9-10%, and that they're picking up responses from people who don't yet know they can't vote BP. I base this on the fact that their numbers are unchanged from the previous week where it was believed they'd be fielding more than 300 candidates - but around 40 have stood down (much to Farage's anger), and I suspect that number was still inflated. Farage is a good campaigner, but his party has a completely dead purpose, I don't expect he'll have much effect on the election.
