Historical Jesus, Biblical Jesus

[Dancefortwo]

Again, my position is the same as the scholars. You see, if the original TF was altered to reflect the positive claim that Jesus was the Christ, then by all means Origen and Justin Martyr may want to use it to confirm to Celsum and Trypho that Jesus was the Messiah. But if wasn't altered at that point in time, and instead it says what the Syriac and Arabic versions say, then there would be absolutely no reason for Origen or Martyr to quote it at all, since they would only be repeating something Celsum and Trypho already knew.

Are you incredibly stupid.   I mean, did your mother drop you on the floor or something when you were a kid?  Jesusfuckingchrist!   Origen and Martyr quoted Josephus throughout their writings to their Jewish and Pagan opponents.  If a paragraph stating that "Jesus was the Christ" was actually in Jospehus' Antiquities at that time they would have quoted it , ESPECIALLY  BECAUSE JOSEPHUS WAS JEWISH!  That's the whole point, you dip shit.  If another Jew  thought  "Jesus was the Christ" then that's an argument one would  gleefully  use as leverage to convert other Jews, or even Pagans, to the new religion.  But the paragraph didn't exist at the time Origen and Martyr were writing  so they couldn't use it, but they no doubt would have jumped all over that paragraph if it had existed.      

The vast majority of scholars know the damned thing was incerted and that it's a forgery.  Get with the program, buddy.

Geesh!