(08-07-2022, 07:10 PM)Rhythmcs Wrote: Oftentimes, when people say they reject miracles they mean they reject magic - but leave unconsidered the miraculous and magical in otherwise mundane stories.
Kicking over temple tables is a miracle. You wouldn't need magic to do it, but you'd need to be pretty damned magical to survive it, that very day. Getting crucified on these grounds would have taken some magical ability as well. People who hold to crucifixion as historical..which is not the consensus, come up with all sorts of convoluted explanations for every miracle like this while assiduously distancing them from miracles for rhetorical effect.
Jesus didn't need magic nor miracle to trash the money changer's bazaar, he must have had a very large following to do that because afterwards he and his picketed the Temple Courts which were vast. And then he must have repeated his actions the next day because the Priests came to ask 'Why do you do these things?'
And I don't think he suffered crucifixion, he had such a following that Pilate thought up a way of pardoning him.....maybe?
